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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 1:33 am    Post subject: black holocaust Reply with quote

the narration in the movie did a great job of articulating how i felt as i had looked through the pictures and captions.

i grew up in rural north carolina, in goldsboro. when i saw the picture of john richards it literally brought the lynchings home. i recognize the surname of some of the lynchers - it was not an uncommon last name in my elementary and high school. these connections to the present bring the history alive in a way that nothing has before.

as the times rightly pointed out, atrocities are not unique to the american south. yet our collective memory is such that only a few generations later, we need to be reminded of our history, and that radical genocidal movements can and did take hold here, very close to our homes.

thanks for helping me to bear witness.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 5:44 am    Post subject: heartfelt Reply with quote

jr
thank you for such a heartfelt response. your words are incredibly honest and moving.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2005 2:31 pm    Post subject: Holocaust? Reply with quote

I registered to comment because I was very moved by the postcards and the presentation. More people need to see them and I will endeavor to let more know about this site.

That said, I must object: the holocaust was the death of 6 million Jews and 5 million Gypsies, Slavs, and other "undesirables" over a period of less than ten years.

Lynchings do not represent a holocaust. They represent horrible crimes, and they give us a terrible window into the human soul when we see that in many cases the crowds who participated were entire families or huge mobs, and that people were so accepting of it they thought little of sending postcards. That's a blot on our soul.

But holocaust? I suppose as Stalin--who himself murdered tens of millions of people--had a point when he said "one death is a tragedy, a million is just a statistic." But still, let's be careful what we compare things to, lest we equalize all tragedies.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 2:46 am    Post subject: Re: Holocaust? Reply with quote

[quote="deanesmay"]I registered to comment because I was very moved by the postcards and the presentation. More people need to see them and I will endeavor to let more know about this site.

That said, I must object: the holocaust was the death of 6 million Jews and 5 million Gypsies, Slavs, and other "undesirables" over a period of less than ten years.

Lynchings do not represent a holocaust. They represent horrible crimes, and they give us a terrible window into the human soul when we see that in many cases the crowds who participated were entire families or huge mobs, and that people were so accepting of it they thought little of sending postcards. That's a blot on our soul.

But holocaust? I suppose as Stalin--who himself murdered tens of millions of people--had a point when he said "one death is a tragedy, a million is just a statistic." But still, let's be careful what we compare things to, lest we equalize all tragedies.[/quote]

holocaust(n) - a wipespread destruction.
You have done one of the worst things that anyone can do. You have put a value on lives. To me, the death of one is the death of a million. Every single life that leaves this world is worth as much as the next, and the worth is immeasurable, because it is a human life. By saying these lynchings are not a holocaust, is like saying the Jews and other innocent people killed in "The Holocaust" are worth more. To me, they are worth the same. Why does the number of the slaughter have to be more, to receive more worth, more recognition? You can never equalize a tragedy, and if you measure a tradgedy by the amount of lives were lost, then you don't know what a tradgedy is. These lynchings are a genocide, just as what the Nazis did to the Jews was a genocide. It wasn't as large a mass murder, but even the death of one person is a holocaust, because it is the destruction of the most valuable existence on this earth, a life. This holocaust, these lynchings, are a continuation of the hatred that exists in this world. Instead of giving each one a number value, we should instead learn from them.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 4:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Holocaust? Reply with quote

[quote="deanesmay"]I registered to comment because I was very moved by the postcards and the presentation. More people need to see them and I will endeavor to let more know about this site.

That said, I must object: the holocaust was the death of 6 million Jews and 5 million Gypsies, Slavs, and other "undesirables" over a period of less than ten years.

Lynchings do not represent a holocaust. They represent horrible crimes, and they give us a terrible window into the human soul when we see that in many cases the crowds who participated were entire families or huge mobs, and that people were so accepting of it they thought little of sending postcards. That's a blot on our soul.

But holocaust? I suppose as Stalin--who himself murdered tens of millions of people--had a point when he said "one death is a tragedy, a million is just a statistic." But still, let's be careful what we compare things to, lest we equalize all tragedies.[/quote] :arrow: :arrow: you are absolutly right but we always remember the jews in wwii or the blacks in the south but the native americans are not animals but people but yet they are exstinct these people have faced the most horrific modern genocide that we are all responsible of because noone did nothing and now they are all gone
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 11:35 am    Post subject: deanesmay YOU ARE SO MISINFORMED!!!!!!!! Reply with quote

deanesmay you say you dont call lynchings a holocaust??????

The lynchings of blacks all over the United States are just a PART of the African Holocaust!!!! It is CLAIMED that the Jews lost 6 million and you recognize that as a holocaust, however we the sons and daughters of Africa lost OVER a 100 million just in the middle passages.....coming from Africa!
AGAIN FOR YOUR INFORMATION WE LOST OVER 100 MILLION IN THE TRANS ATLANTIC SLAVE TRADE!!!!! Thousands of Africans died in the slave ships from various sicknesses, some suffocated others were drowned to lighten the load. Not to mention the countless numbers that died from lynchings, burnings, beatings and more here in North America. Stripped of our language, our land. our culture, our folk ways and even our very being....not only did we experince a holocaust....WE PAID A HELL OF A COST!
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

''It is CLAIMED that the Jews lost 6 million and you recognize that as a holocaust...''

^no, it is a FACT. you appear to be the isinformed, uneducated being here.

and genocide is the mass slaughter of people withing one solid, unbroken period of time. what happened to the Jews was genocide; they were killed off as if they were an 'insect' to be 'exterminated'. the mass slaughterings that went on between the Hutus ad the Tutsis in Rwanda was a genocide; they happened over a short period of years within a solid killing streak. what happened to the african americans was tragic; however, different...because the lynchings were not 100 of thousands hung at once; they were one or two a day, which yes, adds up ot the millions...however; it is uncomparable to the entire towns slaughtered in Rwanda etc. or the thousands of Jews and others that were gassed by the hundreds within minutes in Nazi Germany. African American numbers were more slowly undermined; while the real genocides were matters within millions dead within just a few years...African American deaths built up over a more extended period of time..hundreds of years; not a few years. of course, this is not to say any of the lives were more/less valuable than the others; simply to say it was not quite genocide; not really a holocaust...but still just as disgusting.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 9:05 pm    Post subject: GIVE ME A BREAK PLEEEEEEES ! Reply with quote

[b]LISTEN FOLKS,
EVERYTIME SOMEONE TALKS ABOUT SLAVERY,THEY SAY HOW MUCH THE JEWS WERE IN MORE OF A BIND THAN MY BLACK PEOPLE WERE.THAT IS NOT - I SAY THAT IS NOT TRUE.OVER 100 MILLION BLACK PEOPLE WERE KILLED IN THE SLAVE TRADE AND MORE AFTER.WHEN THE CIVIL WAR ENDED NOT EVEN 6 MILLION BLACKS WERE LEFT IN AMERICA.SO PLEASE STOP COMPARING THE BLACK GENOCIDE COMMITED BY YOUR PEOPLE TO THE SO CALLED "HOLOCOST".BECOUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT A HOLOCOST REALLY IS.PEOPLE WERE THROWN OVER BOATS IN THE TRANSATLANTIC SLAVE TRADE,BEATEN,RAPED,MURDERED,HUNG,LIMBS CUT OFF,PENISES CUT OFF DECAPATATED,HORSEDRAWN,WORKED TO DEATH AND SO ON.I COULD TALK ABOUT IT FOR DAYS AT A TIME.IT WAS BASICALLY AROUND 50 YEARS WE WANTED FREEDOM AND EQUALITY.ONLY JUST 50 YEARS AGO WE WERE BITTEN WITH K-9 DOGS AND HIT WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS HOSES BECOUSE WE WANTED TO GO TO SCHOOL AND VOTE.MY PEOPLE HAVE YET TO OVERCOME THE DISASTERS THAT WERE AFFLICTED UPON US.DURING JIM CROW'S ERA WE WERE STILL BEING KILLED IN THIS FINE COUNTRY OF EQUALNESS.AND YEARS AFTER,WE AS A PEOPLE STILL DID NOT GET OUR REPARATIONS NOR EVEN AN APOLOGY FROM THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT.THEY THINK WE SHOULD JUST FORGET IT AND SWEEP IT UNDER THE RUG BECOUSE YOU FEEL GUILTY ABOUT IT.BUT EVERYDAY A JEW REMINDS THE WORLD OF THEYRE PETTY HOLOCOST.WHILE WE WERE GOING THROUGH APPARTHIDE IN AFRICA NO ONE HELPED US.NOT TO BE ANTI SEMETIC,BUT DON'T COMPARE MY ANCESTORS HOLOCOST TO THE JEWISH HOLOCOST,BECOUSE THERE IS NO COMPARISON FOR THAT.I GUESS WHITES JUST FEEL PRETTY EMBARRASSED ABOUT IT SO THEY TRY TO CATORGORIZE US AND TRY TO SUGAR COAT EVERYTHING.TELL THE TRUTH TELL IT LIKE IT REALLY IS.TO THIS DAY RIGHT NOW AS YOU ARE READING THIS,A MAN IS BEING DENIED A JOB BECOUSE OF HIS SKIN COLOR.SO HE WON'T BE ABLE TO FEED HIS FAMILY.SEE, WHAT YOU WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND IS THAT THE SITUATIONS HERE IN THE U.S. HAVE NOT REALLY CHANGED AT ALL.WE STILL ARE GOING TROUGH SLAVERY,BUT NOW ITS A DIFFERENT FORM OF IT.AND I CAN TRULY SAY THAT IF YOUR ANCESTORS DID NOT GO THROUGH THIS OR IF YOU NEVER WALKED DOWN THE STREET AND HAVE SOMEONE CLUTCH THEIR BAGS ,THEN PLEASE DON'T POST THESE STUPID MESSAGES ONHERE.BECOUSE YOU DON'T KNOW.MOST OF THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE POSTING THESE ARTICLES ARE JUST IGNORANT WHITES WHO JUST LIKE TO SWEEP [expletive deleted] UNDER RUGS AND MAKE IT NOT SO BRUTAL WHEN IT REALLY WAS.

THANK YOU FOR POSTING THESE PICS AND WAKING UP SOME OF THESE PEOPLE TO THE TRUTH ABOUT THEIR ANCESTORS.THEIRS AND MINE.HOW DID THIS POST GET FROM AFRICAN AMERICAN SLAVERY AND LYNCHINGS TO THE JEWS.
I GUES THEY WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THATS HOW IT GOES FOR A BLACK MAN IN THE U.S.A. WE ARE JUST SWEPT UNDER THE RUGS UNTIL ITS TIME FOR US TO ENTERTAIN YOU WITH SOME SPORTS OR A [racial epithet deleted] DANCE WITH SOME COMEDY.[/b]
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 1:48 pm    Post subject: A new day has dawn... Reply with quote

I understand your frustration Mikeygeneral, but I also need to give you some hope. Yesterday, I smiled triumphantly for the first time in years. You see, our new mayor that was sworn in is African American, and the person that swore him in was also African American, and the city officials are mostly African American. The people reporting the news on my TV were - you wouldn't believe it, African American. Education means power, and power means no more oppression. I'm proud to see my race of people come so far. I say we used to past as a stepping stone to keep on stepping forward, get education, make progress, and refuse any handouts from anyone - and that includes drug dealers. Slowly I'm seeing the tide changing. One day we will see more people of color in offices of authority, and position. It's starting to happen. So if that gives you any hope, keep on educating yourself, keep on empowering yourself, and learn from the past. Don't let it embitter you, and don't let it enslave your mind.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just watched the movie there...born and bred in Scotland..me and my brother and sisters were the only wee brown faces in our school when we were growing up..i'm 35 now so was 1975 when i started school and back then the Scots weren't known for their tolerance of ..well..anything that differed from the norm...we all had each other though and we coped with the abuse we got....nothing like what i just saw though..that shocked and sickened me as well it should've...i think every living soul should see this..every school should show this...nothing like this should ever be allowed to happen again...may all of these poor souls rest in peace...my eyes are welling up now as i type this...what a waste of so many beautiful lives.
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